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Post by alwaysPeacock » Thu May 25, 2017 6:18 am

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CluedoKid wrote:I notice they call Mr. Green as Reverend Green for their 86 version.

It makes me think, doesn't it make more sense that Reverend Green would attend Boddy/Black's party in a suit, and not in his clerical vestures?
Not for me. I don't know about the progressive church today, but in the era I picture Cluedo, the clergy always wear their vestments in social gatherings. The Al Smith dinner in NYC where everyone else is in formal wear, the clergy wears their vestments. Granted it's a catholic event, but this is a formal party hosted by Dr. Black, so I would assume similar decorum would apply.
Which makes me wonder: which denomination is the traditional Rev. Green supposed to be? I've always assumed Catholic from the very traditional collar, but I suppose in that era (1920s - '40s, depending on the edition) Christian clergymen probably didn't dress very differently from one another. In my lifetime (briefly flitting between Methodist, Baptist, Episcopalian, and Catholic churches) I've seen the revered/minister/priest/whatever in anything from office casual wear to full robes depending on the service/denomination, but I don't believe the casual dress would have been acceptable any time before the '60s, if not later.

I suppose Church of England or Catholic would be the most likely possibilities, given the general era of classic Cluedo games.
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Post by PeachFreak » Thu May 25, 2017 10:53 am

It's an interesting question. If he were Catholic, he would likely not go by Reverend in conversation but rather Father, although written correspondence would refer to him as The Reverend "Such and such" Green. My assumption would be Church of England, mostly for the village vicar archetype he represents.
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Post by Murder by Death » Thu May 25, 2017 2:13 pm

PeachFreak wrote:It's an interesting question. If he were Catholic, he would likely not go by Reverend in conversation but rather Father, although written correspondence would refer to him as The Reverend "Such and such" Green. My assumption would be Church of England, mostly for the village vicar archetype he represents.
Yes that's right. He's almost certainly not Catholic. The collar is worn by many clergy of many denominations, even today, but certainly more so in the past. The Anglicans essentially assumed all of the vestments and traditions of the Catholic church, except a member could get divorced without being excommunicated. :wink:

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Post by alwaysPeacock » Thu May 25, 2017 10:35 pm

PeachFreak wrote:It's an interesting question. If he were Catholic, he would likely not go by Reverend in conversation but rather Father, although written correspondence would refer to him as The Reverend "Such and such" Green. My assumption would be Church of England, mostly for the village vicar archetype he represents.
Interesting. The original rules book does refer to him as "The Reverend Green" twice: first in the list of suspects & their matching colored tokens, then again in the example for how to make a suggestion:
...may then call another Person into the Lounge (e.g. The Rev. Green) and move that particular piece...and will say: "I suggest that the murder was committed in the Lounge by the Reverend Green with the Spanner."
But the original rules are so (ridiculously) formally written, it's possible they'd have done the same if using Prof. Plum or Col. Mustard for the sample suggestion. Though "The Rev. Green" is still the solitary "the" in the earlier list of suspects...

I believe the ITV series typically introduced him as "Reverend Jonathan Green" if characters were making introductions, but I'm almost certain they just called him "vicar" in conversation.

It's not a point I want to analyze into a pulp, lol. For all I care, he was a village pioneer of non-denominational services. :lol: Rev. Green, murderous clergyman, is still more interesting to me than Mr. Green, the sometimes businessman/conman type.
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Post by PeachFreak » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:21 am

So I managed to snag my first few puzzle series editions today, which are really the only things that were not yet represented somehow in my collection as far as official merch goes. The stories are pretty cute, but I think I must just be terrible about putting puzzles together without a reference image.
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Post by cacums » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:04 am

Which ones did you get?

I have Framed for Murder and To Kill a Dying Man. Both came from church yard sales in different states. To Kill a Dying Man didn't have the booklet, so I didn't get the story until I scraped up a PDF years later.
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Post by PeachFreak » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:39 am

I got Death in the First Edition, Killers in the Kitchen, and Garden of Evil. I was lucky enough to find them completely sealed as well, so everything was there.
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Post by Michael » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:23 am

I love mystery puzzles. I used to have a whole bunch of non-Clue ones as well. Regular puzzles are so boring...
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Post by PeachFreak » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:52 pm

They are good fun! I'm enjoying the challenge, but at least with Garden of Evil, which is the one I'm seriously tackling at the moment, I'm having quite the time with so many pieces just showing some vague sense of leaves.

Also, thought there might be some interest around this, which I stumbled upon during my web travels. Shares its name and character ideas (the young maid character is most noticeable) with the Paraguayan edition while also reflecting an obvious Scarlet, Peacock, and Green.

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http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA ... o-clue-_JM
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Post by Black » Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:24 pm

Dorkly made something on their website about the Clue Movie. http://www.collegehumor.com/post/704573 ... in-history

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Post by BBP » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:16 am

It's been a while, and after it came out I spent most time on a Tim Curry fan forum but it's worth reposting here:

Tim Curry had a Q&A a few weeks back. In this heartily recommended watch he displays his sense of humour and tells us a few things about Clue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLTV4Mv21ts
Q Hello Tim! I'd like to ask, of all films you've ever done, which one's your favourite?
TC Of all what?
Q Your films...
TC Oh, ehm... Well...
I guess one of them is CLue...
I also love Muppets Treasure Island...
CA I have a question about Clue...
TC Yeah...
CA Because you're a stage actor and that's where you started, that film is so theatrical, did you guys have to back off performance (...) energetically for film or did they just let you do (...)
TC No, we actually rehearsed it quite a lot which is rare for movies, and of course you know, my part was about as big as the bible.
CA It was epic. Did you feel the performance(...) from the theatre to film, that you have to back off somewhat? Or is what we saw just a play that was shot?
TC Well the writer, Jonathan Lynn, I had known for a very long time, because we were at high school together, and he was a rather remarkable actor, and he wrote it and directed it.
CA It was utterly brilliant...
TC And he wanted to rehearse because he'd never directed a film before.
CA SO how long was rehearsal?
TC About two weeks...
CA That's intense...
TC It was intense...
CA And brilliantly choreographed, I mean you're... mesmerising and electric, and it was the bible.
TC Well I Loved the cast...
CA Hilarious right?
TC Eileen Brennan has to be one of the funniest people in the world...
CA I think there's an iconic line by Madeline Kahn about flames... Flames!
TC Yes, she improvised that.
CA When she improvised that... sometimes I look at it and I think: did everybody lose it?
TC Yes.
CA Pretty brilliant
TC They had to scrape us off the film, and then it was a difficult editing job.
CA It was brilliant.
TC (as Kahn) Flames!
CA She was mad. Mad as a march hare.
TC She was.

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Post by Zoo977 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:15 pm

Silly side note, but a friend just let me know about a silly neopets item. Evidently you can buy "manor mystery fortune cookies"

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And among all the items you can get from it is a candlestick and rope your dudes can hold

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Post by BBP » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:01 am

Clue documentary apparently in the making!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMIvr-RqSJw

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Post by Black » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:14 am

Bloody *beep*, Yvette is now completely unrecognizable.

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Post by cluedoking123 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:55 pm

Black wrote:Bloody *beep*, Yvette is now completely unrecognizable.
The pitch and tone of her voice even sound different. She is a completely different person!
IT'S ALL TOO SHOCKING!
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Post by Murder by Death » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:02 pm

Boys ... getting old s_u_c_k_s. Enjoy it while you have it!

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Post by alwaysPeacock » Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:51 am

I'm 27, and I already miss my "youth." I'll probably be pretty miserable by the time I'm actually old enough to justify feeling old. :lol:



My current Clue thoughts: I'm really disappointed we've reached November '17, and there's nary a glimmer of a good gift edition this year. Some of the deluxe, FM-style editions are still available, Target still offers the '86 Retro Edition, and Toys-r-Us is still hawking the Silver Line Edition...but that's it. It's like Hasbro delivered a more than decent updated standard game, then dumped all their attention into licensing deals for the mobile game and comic book. Target's new line of "rustic" games look & feel fantastic; it's a shame they didn't try to include Clue in the lineup (the original Cluedo designs, or even the '49 Clue board would have worked really nicely with the aesthetics of the rustic series).

I guess I'm just bummed the most excitement in the Clue(do) product line, this past year, has come entirely from a video game. A proper, reasonably priced gift edition, or even an attempted expanded/advanced game would have been a nice treat.

But, maybe this is the future for board games. Endless licensing deals to maintain brand awareness, a gimmicky face lift every few years to a bargain-priced, standard edition, physical game, and real experimentation* through digital mediums.



*I use that phrasing loosely. So far, Marmalade has done a great job experimenting with new scenarios for the classic game mechanics, and new stories for the standard 6/7 suspects...but the lack of initiative towards including an expanded game option (more than 6 suspects, some new weapons, and as many rooms as they can squeeze onto a screen) makes it all a bit repetitive, no matter how it's been dressed up.
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Post by Murder by Death » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:19 pm

alwaysPeacock wrote:Target's new line of "rustic" games look & feel fantastic; it's a shame they didn't try to include Clue in the lineup (the original Cluedo designs, or even the '49 Clue board would have worked really nicely with the aesthetics of the rustic series).

So far, Marmalade has done a great job experimenting with new scenarios for the classic game mechanics, and new stories for the standard 6/7 suspects...but the lack of initiative towards including an expanded game option (more than 6 suspects, some new weapons, and as many rooms as they can squeeze onto a screen) makes it all a bit repetitive, no matter how it's been dressed up.
Obviously Restoration Hardware tried their hand at a "rustic" Luxury edition of Clue, using the Franklin Mint designs. However, It was a weird juxtaposition of styles. To do it right, I'm not sure just how Hasbro would handle a real "rustic" Clue game. Would Colonel Mustard be a cowboy? Scarlett the saloon manager? I'm not sure the current characters could be effectively dressed up in "rustic" personas to match the game.

As you say Marmalade has come up with some great scenarios, so I'd be interested to see them take a stab at rustic if not Hasbro. Heck why doesn't Hasbro just make a deal to use Marmalade's designs in their own physical board games?

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Post by cacums » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:49 pm

alwaysPeacock wrote:I'm 27, and I already miss my "youth." I'll probably be pretty miserable by the time I'm actually old enough to justify feeling old. :lol:
I feel you! I've recently started balding. As a tiny 24 year old twink, trying to be adorable and desirable has become exhausting!!! Dear lord I miss being carded for alcohol.
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Post by alwaysPeacock » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:41 pm

Murder by Death wrote:
alwaysPeacock wrote:Target's new line of "rustic" games look & feel fantastic; it's a shame they didn't try to include Clue in the lineup (the original Cluedo designs, or even the '49 Clue board would have worked really nicely with the aesthetics of the rustic series).

So far, Marmalade has done a great job experimenting with new scenarios for the classic game mechanics, and new stories for the standard 6/7 suspects...but the lack of initiative towards including an expanded game option (more than 6 suspects, some new weapons, and as many rooms as they can squeeze onto a screen) makes it all a bit repetitive, no matter how it's been dressed up.
Obviously Restoration Hardware tried their hand at a "rustic" Luxury edition of Clue, using the Franklin Mint designs. However, It was a weird juxtaposition of styles. To do it right, I'm not sure just how Hasbro would handle a real "rustic" Clue game. Would Colonel Mustard be a cowboy? Scarlett the saloon manager? I'm not sure the current characters could be effectively dressed up in "rustic" personas to match the game.

As you say Marmalade has come up with some great scenarios, so I'd be interested to see them take a stab at rustic if not Hasbro. Heck why doesn't Hasbro just make a deal to use Marmalade's designs in their own physical board games?
Meh...you're kind of missing the point of the rustic line from Target. It's got nothing to do with theming the graphics around a new story concept, it's just about the materials used in the production of the games. Heavy wooden packaging, faded colors, wooden & metal game pieces. Hipster nonsense like that.

All they'd have to do is take the original Clue or Cluedo board, fade the colors, do the cards in sepia tones with faded color accents for the suspect cards, toss in some heavy distressed weapons pieces, wooden suspect pawns, off-white dice & notepads, and pack it all in a heavy wooden box with a big CLUE logo stamped on the front. Boom, a "rustic" Clue game seamlessly matched with the other titles in the line:

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And these editions are heavy, as far as commercial board games go. I was considering the Risk game for a friend & was surprised how much it weighed when I picked it up. These games are 100 times more deluxe than the Silver Line ever hoped to be, despite the decidedly less modern aesthetic.

Side note: The boards for these "rustic" editions are all large, interlocking puzzle pieces. A fun touch, but you'd definitely only be able to play on a very flat surface.

Now, your idea for a western themed Clue game? Probably pointless in a physical edition, but it does sound like something Marmalade could get away with for the mobile version. Could be a fun excuse to integrate Rusty into the mobile suspect lineup.
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