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Mr. Sterling Silver
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:34 pm    Post subject: New Detetive Reply with quote

Anyone know what this is?

http://www.ilhadotabuleiro.com.br/index.php?pag=jogos&link=ver_jogo&cod=5997

The pictures are a little hard to make out, but it seems to be a new version of Detetive with some changes. The victim is a millionaire named Carlos Fortuna. The board is a city rather than a mansion, and there are eight suspects who look like they might be the Green and Peacock characters, a butler named James (the only name I could make out), a cook, a flamenco dancer (Scarlet?), a female doctor, a gardener and a fortune teller (Mme Rose?). The weapons (pictured on the back of the box) include scissors and a garden hoe.

If anyone can find out more, I'd love to know more about this.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like some of the other weapons are brass knuckles, a knife, and poison.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see (from left to right)

A rifle, shovel, scissors, two bottles, knife, brass knuckles, garden hoe
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found larger pictures of the suspects and game board:

Suspects:
http://www.lojaprolar.com.br/produtos/284523_2.jpg

When I zoomed in, I could finally make out the character names. Turns out that's not a gardener.

Cesar Hipolito, prefeito (mayor)
Dona Margarida, florista (florist)
Rebecca Salao, dancarina (dancer)
Dr. Sara, medica (medic)
James, mordomo (butler)
Tony Gourmet, chef de cozinha (chef of cuisine)
Sergio Soturno, coveiro (undertaker)
Soraya, cigana (gypsy)

Board:
http://www.lojaprolar.com.br/produtos/284523_1.jpg

I can see what appear to be, from top left, clockwise, a florist shop, the entrance hall of a mansion, a hotel lobby, a nightclub, ?????, a graveyard, an arcade (?), a hospital or clinic, a restaurant and the mayor's office, with a park in the center.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think what you think is an arcade is some kind of grocery store.

Where do the players start? I don't think it's the flags - there's only six of them and up to 8 players (though I would love to start right outside the door to one of the rooms!).
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess is that the flags are secret passages, since I don't see any on the board.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CMustardwPipeinLibrary wrote:
Where do the players start?


I assume the Rotunda in the center...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I think there's secret passages. They're just between certain side rooms instead of between corner rooms - which makes no sense at all to me, but whatever.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CMustardwPipeinLibrary wrote:
I think what you think is an arcade is some kind of grocery store.


I think you're right. I didn't notice the counter with the cash register at first.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More than a year after I first discovered this, I finally uncovered some more info when I found a very blurry picture of the notepad for the game. It was so blurry that I'm not entirely sure of these spellings or translations, but here's what I found.

The weapons are:

Espingarda (Rifle)
Pa (Shovel or Hoe)
Pe-de-cabra (Crowbar)
Tesoura (Scissors)
Arma Quimica (Chemical Weapon)
Veneno (Poison)
Soco Ingles ("English Punch," probably brass knuckles)
Faca (Knife)

The locations are:
Prefeitura (Hall, possibly meaning something like Town Hall, where the mayor's office is located)
Restaurante (Restaurant)
Floricultura (Flower Shop)
Boate (Nightclub)
Hospital (Hospital)
Cemeterio (Cemetery)
Praca (Square)
Hotel (Hotel)
Mansão (Mansion)
and two more. In the picture I found, the last two locations were obscured. All I could make out were the ends of the words: "-anco" and "de Trem," so I don't know yet what the last two are.

Also, apparently it already has been reissued in a new box.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Sterling Silver wrote:
Also, apparently it already has been reissued in a new box.

I like this better than Winning Moves new Classic Clue.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Murder by Death wrote:
I like this better than Winning Moves new Classic Clue.


I like the new box as well, and I particularly like the new "Detetive" logo with the silhouette of the detective in place of the "I."

Meanwhile, a little more research yielded a blurry picture of one half of the board, so I was able to determine what one of those two unidentified rooms is: Estacio de Trem (Train Station).
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if the cards pictured at the most recent link I posted really are the cards for this version. They're the same as the cards from the earlier version, but they don't match the new box cover drawings: on the box, Dr. Sara has gone brunette and has glasses, Dona Margarida also has glasses, James does not (and his hair is brown and he has a mustache), Sergio Saturnus has no beard, Cesar Hipolito has hair, etc.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if this this is the "re-invention" rumored to be coming in 2009 per this Google translated article about Detetive? But Brazilian style? It updates the game to a more modern style, just not the way Hasbro did it. Googling for any recent versions of Detetive only produce this edition and nothing remotely similar to the classic game or the re-invention. The Rotunda seems to be a indicator that it has the new re-invention rules. Or, considering the extra rooms (11), suspects and weapons (8 each), it is their version of Master Detective/Super Cluedo. But notice in the advertisements they distinguish the game as "New".

I also found this blog from someone who was complaining about the changes to Detetive as we have responded to DTS. Which might be a further clue.

Interestingly enough, the Estrela website does not list instructions for their regular Detetive game to attempt to find out.



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the one with the long shot down the foyer on the cover. I remember my cousin (who is from Brazil, and who was able to get the game for me) telling me the salesman in the store told her that edition was being discontinued, and was to be replaced with an updated version. I guess that picture you posted of the green box with the city pictures was it.

I agree with the blogger who said that the cards in the edition I have are very flimsy. They're not exactly paper-thin, but they feel very easy to fold while shuffling. Also, no attempt was made to change the Conservatory into the "Music Room" it is labeled as. Hasbro/Estrela should have simply renamed the room to something suitable for the artwork. Also, the weapons are grey ("silver") colored plastic, molded after the designs we've been using since about 1972. They came attached to a plastic runner, and had to be twisted off before playing.

Anyone who wants to see more photos can pop over to Cluedofan.com to see the pictures I sent to Paul: http://www.cluedofan.com/cards/brcards.htm
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alwaysPeacock wrote:

Anyone who wants to see more photos can pop over to Cluedofan.com to see the pictures I sent to Paul: http://www.cluedofan.com/cards/brcards.htm

Yes! These are some of the most beautiful cards ever produced in the Cluedo world.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll notice the weapons artwork from the 50th Anniversary edition is used on those cards. I can tell you the plastic tokens used during the game do NOT match the artwork on the cards (yet another instance of incinsistencies between the art and the pieces).
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alwaysPeacock wrote:
I can tell you the plastic tokens used during the game do NOT match the artwork on the cards (yet another instance of incinsistencies between the art and the pieces).

Yes I figured as much. In general the Detetive games do not seem of particularly high quality (ironic considering how beautiful those cards are). In fact the history of Estrela and Detetive that I've been able to glean seems that the Brazilians simply ripped the game off originally – this was not unusual for many South American countries. I recall it was particularly bad in the early days of personal computers, a lot like China is today – absolutely no regard for international copyright. It seems like Parker eventually settled with Estrela to allow them to "officially" manufacture the game only starting in the 80s under the trademark Detetive. Having to pay a royalty to Hasbro on each game probably means they are going to cut corners even more than Hasbro does int his country.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This really is a beautiful edition!

http://www.cluedo.us/board-games/br-2/2010-detetive.htm

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooh yes!

I couldn't help but think of Miss Scarlet, Blunderbuss, Courtyard but it is really nice!
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