Do you prefer Lady Lavender or Dr. Orchid?

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Which woman?

Lady Lavender
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Dr. Orchid
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They can coexist.
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Do you prefer Lady Lavender or Dr. Orchid?

Post by ClueLover98 » Thu May 21, 2020 4:43 am

So Dr. Orchid has somewhat occupied the niche that Lady Lavender used to be in (for example, Lady Lavender is the only millennial suspect not to be carried over to the Marmalade app), I was just curious if you guys generally preferred her or Lady Lavender. I remember there used to be vitriol towards Dr. Orchid when she was introduced, but now it's simmered down.

So the question is... who (if either) is better?

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Post by cacums » Thu May 21, 2020 5:06 am

Not so terribly long ago, Lady Lavender was considered a "Madame Rose" replacement. But allowing her to coexist alongside Madame Rose in fan games, stories, projects, etc. adds and aids worldbuilding and introducing the unique character troupes. Dr. Orchid is growing on me as her own character, not as a "Mrs. White" replacement. I could very easily see Lady Lavender and Dr. Orchid sitting with Madame Rose in the Gazebo while Mrs. White serves them tea and eavesdrops.

I think Dr. Orchid and Lady Lavender can coexist. Despite both characters being herbalist-botanist, light purple female characters with an Asian background, they still seem different enough to me.

Personally, I see Lady Lavender as the good-doer with plants, herbal medicine, aligned to Madame Rose's new age psychic abilities. She could easily be a Reiki healer, an essential oil enthusiast, or a hypnotist. And let's not forget Lord Lavender and whatever became of him...

Now, for Dr. Orchid, I see her closer to Miss Peach, being part of the family through adoption. She strikes me as more as Miss Scarlet's spy/espionage story-arc from the VCR games.

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Post by coinilius » Thu May 21, 2020 5:59 am

I went with ‘co-existence’ - there’s no need to sacrifice one character for the other, and I can see Lady Lavender as more of a traditional herbal medicine provider while Dr Orchid is clearly a cutting edge of medical science kind of person. I also see them as being quite different in age, as Dr Orchid is usually presented as a young character with a prodigious intellect.

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Post by CluedoKid » Thu May 21, 2020 7:11 am

My vote for co-exist, and not having either one be the token Asian - for my game, I have both, and Miss Scarlet Asian (retaining the espionage angle which is my favourite interpretation of her character.)
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Post by Mr_Suspect88 » Thu May 21, 2020 8:53 am

I voted for coexist , they both can coexist in the same universe. They are too separate entities that bring depth the the game.

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Re: Do you prefer Lady Lavender or Dr. Orchid?

Post by BBP » Thu May 21, 2020 10:26 am

They can co-exist of course but I have a strong dislike for Orchid. Plus I did a Lady Lavender costume once.

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Re: Do you prefer Lady Lavender or Dr. Orchid?

Post by Sir Shamrock » Thu May 21, 2020 11:11 am

BBP wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 10:26 am
They can co-exist of course but I have a strong dislike for Orchid. Plus I did a Lady Lavender costume once.
That's what I say too (minus the part about the costume :lol: )

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Post by coinilius » Thu May 21, 2020 3:06 pm

A lot of Orchid hatred seems to have settled since the sting of her introduction - I’m all for more characters, as long as it’s not at the expense of others so would rather see Orchid and White co-exist as well as Lady Lavender continue as a possible character for the games to use.

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Post by Zoo977 » Thu May 21, 2020 3:36 pm

It's kidn of fraud to say they couldn't coexist. Even with the examples of Mrs. White and Madame Rose, they all fill different archetypes. A maid, a psychic, an herbalist, and a scienties? Floral names aren't enough to make them redundant.

My concern is a bit different though. How many doctors can really coexist in the clue universe?

The original patent had a doctor and a nurse, and I'm more than fine with that. But so far Clue and it's extended universes have Dr. Black, Dr. Orchid, Dr. Prussian, Dr. Olive, Dr. Mandarino, and Dr. White. I think I drew something about that a long time back. That's a more interesting question to me - how many is too many?
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Post by cacums » Thu May 21, 2020 4:19 pm

I think due to the fact that Dr. Black is the head of the house and the fact that Professor Plum is an inch away from being Dr. Plum (scientist or psychiatrist), it isn't unreasonable to have the Mansion filled with other Doctors. Even if he doesn't like them, I'm sure he has to endure them at dinner parties and meetings. I've watched enough General Hospital to know that the Nurse's Ball would be put on by someone like Dr. Black.

My complaint on too much/too little is: other than a Colonel or Sergeant, we don't have any extra military characters. There isn't even much fan-made security for Prince Azure. I think a Combat-Medic Dr/Colonel hybrid would add some spice.

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Post by coinilius » Thu May 21, 2020 6:12 pm

They could all be doctors of different things, like Dr Orchid seems to be more in medical research than a practicing doctor, I’ve always imagined Dr Prussian to be an alcoholic, a disgraced surgeon who is possibly now operating as a GP in the county (he‘a always looked dishevelled to me, and presumably Dr Black/Mr Boddy has helped cover up his disgraces)

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Post by Jonathan Green » Thu May 21, 2020 6:14 pm

I think they co-exist in Clue.

Lady Lavender is a seductive, businesswoman type of person. She comes from a wealthy family in China and is a widow of a British biologist. She’s like the VCR Scarlett in some way.

Dr. Orchid is a young Japanese chemist/biologist fresh out college. She’s Boddy’s adopted daughter, along with Peach. Her biological parents were both chemist, which was the main inspiration of her becoming one herself.

Maybe Orchid could have work for Lavender’s herbal shop.
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Post by Jonathan Green » Thu May 21, 2020 7:22 pm

No matter what our options are on Dr. Orchid (I personally like her, just how she was introduced), she is way better than Ms. Monopoly!
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Re: Do you prefer Lady Lavender or Dr. Orchid?

Post by Sir Shamrock » Thu May 21, 2020 10:25 pm

cacums wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 4:19 pm
My complaint on too much/too little is: other than a Colonel or Sergeant, we don't have any extra military characters. There isn't even much fan-made security for Prince Azure. I think a Combat-Medic Dr/Colonel hybrid would add some spice.
That's true. If you took the occupations of all the characters, even counting spin-offs and international versions, you would only get about 9 people (there's probably a few more but I don't have my notes on me rn). They are Col. Mustard, Sgt. Gray, Capt. Brown, Col. Yellow, Capt. Sky, Col. Pear, Director Canola, and Chief Navy. That may seem like a large number, but compared to other categories such as law enforcement, nobility, and even staff it's quite small. This is a good idea for a forum page, have to remember that for later.

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Post by Jonathan Green » Thu May 21, 2020 11:27 pm

Sir Shamrock wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 10:25 pm
cacums wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 4:19 pm
My complaint on too much/too little is: other than a Colonel or Sergeant, we don't have any extra military characters. There isn't even much fan-made security for Prince Azure. I think a Combat-Medic Dr/Colonel hybrid would add some spice.
That's true. If you took the occupations of all the characters, even counting spin-offs and international versions, you would only get about 9 people (there's probably a few more but I don't have my notes on me rn). They are Col. Mustard, Sgt. Gray, Capt. Brown, Col. Yellow, Capt. Sky, Col. Pear, Director Canola, and Chief Navy. That may seem like a large number, but compared to other categories such as law enforcement, nobility, and even staff it's quite small. This is a good idea for a forum page, have to remember that for later.
I remember watching a playthrough of Agatha Christie’s Evil Under the Sun, and one of the investigators was called Colonel Weston, Chief Constable. Maybe Mustard could be an member of the Police force?
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Post by cacums » Thu May 21, 2020 11:33 pm

Jonathan Green wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 11:27 pm
Sir Shamrock wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 10:25 pm
cacums wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 4:19 pm
My complaint on too much/too little is: other than a Colonel or Sergeant, we don't have any extra military characters. There isn't even much fan-made security for Prince Azure. I think a Combat-Medic Dr/Colonel hybrid would add some spice.
That's true. If you took the occupations of all the characters, even counting spin-offs and international versions, you would only get about 9 people (there's probably a few more but I don't have my notes on me rn). They are Col. Mustard, Sgt. Gray, Capt. Brown, Col. Yellow, Capt. Sky, Col. Pear, Director Canola, and Chief Navy. That may seem like a large number, but compared to other categories such as law enforcement, nobility, and even staff it's quite small. This is a good idea for a forum page, have to remember that for later.
I remember watching a playthrough of Agatha Christie’s Evil Under the Sun, and one of the investigators was called Colonel Weston, Chief Constable. Maybe Mustard could be an member of the Police force?
That would explain the magnifying glass from 72-92. The in house detective troupe.

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Re: Do you prefer Lady Lavender or Dr. Orchid?

Post by ClueLover98 » Fri May 22, 2020 12:02 am

What's interesting is that while most votes believe the two can coexist, there are 3 votes for Lady Lavender but none for Orchid. To the three of you who voted Lady Lavender, why?

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Post by coinilius » Fri May 22, 2020 12:48 am

Maybe Rich Uncle Pennybags disowned her and she had to build up her fortune on her own - I think Ms Monoply was more bad marketing than anything else, the press it for was like it was trolling feminists or something when the game itself is mostly just a harmless ‘celebrate women entrepreneurs’ version of Monopoly - Hasbro seems to like using trolling people as a marketing strategy, see also Socialist Monopoly.

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Post by Jonathan Green » Fri May 22, 2020 1:00 am

coinilius wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 12:48 am
Maybe Rich Uncle Pennybags disowned her and she had to build up her fortune on her own - I think Ms Monoply was more bad marketing than anything else, the press it for was like it was trolling feminists or something when the game itself is mostly just a harmless ‘celebrate women entrepreneurs’ version of Monopoly - Hasbro seems to like using trolling people as a marketing strategy, see also Socialist Monopoly.
And the Millennial Monopoly game. Also the game kinda hypocritical. I remember seeing an article that said one of the cards said:
“You see a new superhero movie with a female lead and it was AWESOME!
If female: collect $50; If male, collect $100”
Something in the lines of that. For a game where “Women get pay more than Men“, that seems a little sexist.
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Post by coinilius » Fri May 22, 2020 3:36 am

Jonathan Green wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 1:00 am
coinilius wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 12:48 am
Maybe Rich Uncle Pennybags disowned her and she had to build up her fortune on her own - I think Ms Monopoly was more bad marketing than anything else, the press it for was like it was trolling feminists or something when the game itself is mostly just a harmless ‘celebrate women entrepreneurs’ version of Monopoly - Hasbro seems to like using trolling people as a marketing strategy, see also Socialist Monopoly.
And the Millennial Monopoly game. Also the game kinda hypocritical. I remember seeing an article that said one of the cards said:
“You see a new superhero movie with a female lead and it was AWESOME!
If female: collect $50; If male, collect $100”
Something in the lines of that. For a game where “Women get pay more than Men“, that seems a little sexist.
Yeah, it just seemed like it was caught between being a troll game and being just a 'let's celebrate women inventors and entrepreneurs' game and ended up just being unappealing to all sides as a result (and considering the game that Monopoly was derived from was itself created by a woman, it's not a bad fit to do a themed Monopoly game that celebrates the works of women). The Socialist Monopoly was at least part of a series of re-imagined adult parody games (and it's board design is honestly pretty nice looking, with some wonderful minimalist artwork). At least Hasbro hasn't done Ms. Clue yet...

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