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I hated the ending of Lost

Post by Michael » Mon May 24, 2010 4:45 pm

That is all.
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Post by WarnerPlum » Mon May 24, 2010 5:21 pm

I can imagine! (They don't even get rescued?!)
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Post by tyob123 » Mon May 24, 2010 6:04 pm

didnt answer anything
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Re: I hated the ending of Lost

Post by Murder by Death » Mon May 24, 2010 9:55 pm

Michael wrote:That is all.
LOL. I truly don't understand the people who loved it.

My reaction after it was all over was: so it was literally a cork?

While I enjoyed watching the series for the actors and the drama, at this point I prefer not to spend one single brain cell trying to figure out something the writers probably didn't give a second thought. There are no answers, and there never were. It was just a bunch of stuff that happened and then stopped happening.

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Post by Niteshade007 » Mon May 24, 2010 10:26 pm

Someone care to spoil me?

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Post by Michael » Tue May 25, 2010 6:53 am

Spoiler: Instead of actually wrapping up storylines that have intrigued us for years, the writers chose to be gimmicky by focusing on the "flash sideways" scenes as an afterlife of sorts. The island reality was real, but eventually, when all the characters die they enter the sideways realm in order to find each other, come to grips with their existence, and move on. That's okay, I guess, but it seems like they waited until the last episode to wrap up storylines using a sentence or two here and there to reference mysteries that took years to build up. Scenes like the one with black woman and her husband seem to have just been thrown in to show they were still there. It didn't add anything. I still don't understand why Desmond was so special, but he was able to avoid the electromagnetic nature guarding the island's "light" in order to remove a big stone cork. Wasn't that supposed to be very very bad? The island started to fall apart, but I'm not sure why. It also made Jack - the new island guardian - and Lock/Black mortal long enough (how/why?) for Jack to kill Locke/Black. Then Jack put the cork back. Where is the electromagnetic field now? So he wanders into the forest (where did Hurley go?) to die of his wounds, seeing the plane that the rest of the cast escaped on fly away (YEAH RIGHT that would have worked...) - except Hurley who Jack made the island's new protector in a writer's effort merely to pander to the audience and his new number 2, unlikely Ben. What the heck, the writers must have thought. He's evil, but lets make sure he gets redemption at the last minute. The last scene shows Jack's eye close (similar to the first scene where his eye opens) as Vincent the dog comes to lay by his side - which I admit found touching. I love dogs.
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Post by Michael » Tue May 25, 2010 6:58 am

I think that overall my problem is that i don't feel I needed to go through six years of episodes for that ending. All the island back-story and plot lines weren't necessary to get there. But they were the exciting part of the show and they weren't resolved.
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Post by Jamie » Wed May 26, 2010 3:01 pm

I gave up on Lost back in series 2, i'm glad I did reading about the ending!

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Post by Kristev » Sun Jun 06, 2010 3:39 am

I never understood it at all.

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Post by TheWhitePawn » Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:10 pm

OMG, you guys must not get it then. The last episode was BY FAR my favorite of the entire series. It was such a perfect way to wrap everything up.
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Post by Murder by Death » Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:12 pm

TheWhitePawn wrote:OMG, you guys must not get it then. The last episode was BY FAR my favorite of the entire series. It was such a perfect way to wrap everything up.
Yes I believe that's how "Heaven Can Wait" ended. And "Defending Your Life".

Michael hit the nail on the head when he said: "i don't feel I needed to go through six years of episodes for that ending."

Total agreement. Loved the ride, though. ABC's been rumored to be talking sequel with a new cast, which will hopefully deal with some of the island mythology, now that people know what the show is. It was a total bait and switch from the beginning. The producers intentionally misled the audiences then took a sharp left turn in season 4, losing half their audience in the process.

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Post by TheWhitePawn » Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:07 pm

I disagree. You may not have needed to be along for the ride to see the afterlife ending, but it would not have meant anything unless you have seen all 6 seasons. Can we really say that we would have understood everything that the characters needed to let go of without watching them struggle through their issues on the island? Many of them died with so many things left unsaid and so many regrets. It was nice to see that they were all able to redeem themselves (and even get punished for their mistakes... The idea of karma has been a major philosophy dealt with since season 1). I think it was a great message. What you do in life matters, and there's no way you can undo it. It was a total message to live your life one day at a time and to be smart about the way you do it. As we saw with Ben, Anna-Lucia, Jin, Sayid, etc... karma will come after you. More severely for some than others.

I think those of you who didn't like it are simply struggling with the desire to know everything. You forget that the show is not ultimately about every detail of the island or its history but about people. The combined stories of the individuals are what made this show a success. And would you really be happy if EVERYTHING was answered? The only thing keeping me watching for 6 years (Over and over I might add. I re-watched all the episodes to date after each season ended) was the mystery. I am grateful that the human aspect of the show ended so perfectly while the great mystery that accompanied each episode remained.

I'm not saying you should all love it. But I find it sad that you won't be able to enjoy the show as much as I have. I highly recommend that you rewatch the series from the beginning and give the ending another chance.
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Post by Murder by Death » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:01 am

TheWhitePawn wrote: I highly recommend that you rewatch the series from the beginning and give the ending another chance.
Never. I watched the show religiously. I stuck with it when more than half the viewing audience dropped it because it went sci-fi (even though the producers denied those aspects as well as the idea of purgatory or afterlife of some-sort) Once you know what's coming, all the suspense that drives the show, no longer drives it. It's like watching a soap opera over and over, once you know what happens after every cliff hanger, it's just boring.

I absolutely agree that the characters, the actors in particular and their individual stories were great. But come on, they sum it all up in the most cliched of all endings, they walk into a white light!? And half the show was about the mystery, not their individual struggle. So half the audience's investment was lost in that lop-sided ending. And frankly, I don't really believe the ending did what people think it did. Where was Michael? If anybody redeemed himself and deserved to be reunited with that group and walk into the white light it was him. And I totally disagree we needed to see the characters go through everything they did in order to appreciate the afterlife reunion. Feature films pull such themes off in 2 hours. No, the producers made that island as a big a story as the characters' stories, yet decided they didn't know what the *beep* they were doing in the end, so why worry about it, leave it for somebody else.

I'm doing exactly what I said I wouldn't which is waste any more time on it. The writers had no idea where this series was going when they started, and by the end was throwing in any cool idea they wanted, ultimately tying it all up by focusing on the characters. No that was not lost on me. But I didn't need six seasons to know the characters had regrets and sought redemption. That was usually taken care of in the first flashback episode. So then they had to bring new people onto the island like Mr. Ecco to draw it out even more. Long point short, if that was the ONLY message the finale is supposed to leave us with, then I got that the first season, when everybody and their dog was howling "the island" is purgatory where the characters are paying a penance and seeking redemption for their past misdeeds and guilt. Yes, that was the main fan theory the producers vehemently denied after the first season. So then they tell us the island is real, and keep repeating the same character lessons over an over until the network made them end it, so people would keep watching. THen they do exactly what the first season audience thought they were gonna do, and don't address any of the reality.

There is nothing else to glean by going back and watching all six seasons. There will not be any new answers or revelations and Abrams is notorious for never answering a question directly. So it leaves everything up for debate with no real answers. Despite that being the number one past time Lost fans engaged in during the series. No the series was as basic as it gets. And the point was already made in season one.

Now I'm not trying to take anything away from you or anybody else. I understand that people could get attached to the characters, with one of the strongest casts I have ever seen in any production. But there is no reason to feel sorry for me or anyone else that the ending we saw coming from season one, didn't do it for us.

And as for not liking it, well, there are people who don't like the Clue movie either. People who actually don't think it's funny. Or Clever, or like the actors. Lost's rating literally dropped by more than half from the first season to the last. They lost a lot of fans who simply were not interested in being strung along with the same stories over and over, and then the biggest hit in season 4 when for no apparent reason they began time traveling. If it were truly all about the characters, then the ratings would not have taken such a steady dive over 6 seasons and the network would not have prematurely pulled the plug.

But I understand your enthusiasm and I'm glad you were left more gratified by the series ending than I was. I simply cannot share it, not endorse it. But for those who have never seen the series, I totally agree it is worth sitting down and watching form the beginning. The first season alone is worth the investment, whether you choose to keep watching or not.

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Post by TheWhitePawn » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:16 am

Murder by Death wrote: then I got that the first season, when everybody and their dog was howling "the island" is purgatory where the characters are paying a penance and seeking redemption for their past misdeeds and guilt.
Um... but the island is NOT purgatory. LoL... that was one of the biggest revelations of the finale. That's my point... I don't think people got it. And as for re-watching it, I saw LOST so many times, and I catch something new each time. I definitely see it as a show that one can see over and over again simply because there are SO many details.

As for the ending of the show, I don't think there has ever been a TV show where the writers know how it's going to end from the get-go. I think people are just disappointed because it didn't end the way they wanted it to.

And so what if I think the Clue movie sucks? I've been saying that since I joined these forums. That doesn't mean I like the game any less. Just because you didn't like the ending, doesn't mean the whole show has no value anymore. I already pre-orderd my blu-ray boxed set and can't wait to rewatch every episode again!
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Post by Murder by Death » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:30 am

TheWhitePawn wrote:but the island is NOT purgatory. LoL... that was one of the biggest revelations of the finale. That's my point...
As was mine. The island was what it was, but we'll never know, cause in the end it didn't matter AT ALL. In the end, purgatory was some thing that ran alongside reality (and likely across all six seaons), but they both served the exact same purpose. The island, the side-ways universe, it's all the same thing. The reason for both ultimately was to show us who these people were and allow us to see ourselves in them to identify and learn along with them, to be drawn in by them, so we' watch. Yeah I got it just fine. I didn't need it hammered home for 6 years along with a mystery that would never, could never be resolved.

So there you go folks, Locke and Jack, Black & White. Now you get to choose! LOL

FOr the record, I had no idea you didn't like the Clue movie. It's no masterpiece, but it's a lot of fun. Just another way of saying not everyone's gonna get the same thing, or indeed anything, out of the same experience.

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Post by TheWhitePawn » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:42 am

Murder by Death wrote:In the end, purgatory was some thing that ran alongside reality (and likely across all six seaons), but they both served the exact same purpose. The island, the side-ways universe, it's all the same thing.
Ooooh... okay, I see what you're getting at now. Yeah, I agree that the split between the island and purgatory wasn't necessary to get the point across. However, I was grateful that Libby and Juliet were brought back on board for the finale. I was so disappointed when Libby died. And although we still don't have her FULL story, I'm glad that she was able to come back. And Juliet was my favorite of the whole series, so losing her was very sad :(

But yeah, the whole mysteries of the island are going to be seen differently by everyone. Maybe that's why I am so attracted to the show. My mom and close friends all love the series and debating about it has been just as much fun as watching it :D
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Post by Green » Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:21 pm

...I loved the ending. :D

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