Clue Current Thoughts

A place to discuss all aspects of Clue/Cluedo.

Moderators: Michael, BBP, Tum

Post Reply
User avatar
Adam106
Hatchet Man
Posts: 5759
Joined: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:34 pm
Location: United Kingdom

Post by Adam106 » Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:37 am

Wow, absolutely! Nice find!

Black
Bindle Stiff
Posts: 6165
Joined: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:04 pm
Location: In the Billiard Rm with the Wrench

Post by Black » Sat Jun 19, 2010 6:20 am

Green wrote:
Black wrote:
cacums wrote:I was laughing at what you said, no you... :roll:
Sorry. I don't understand short hand or text speak.
No short hand or text speak present. He just missed the "T" in the word "not."
I was talking about this ROFLMAO!!

User avatar
cacums
Ringer
Posts: 11117
Joined: Thu May 31, 2007 11:58 am
Location: If I told you it wouldn't be a secret anymore

Post by cacums » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:28 am

Black, when you don't know what something means, instead of publicly embarrassing yourself, try looking it up on the magic world of google...

Black
Bindle Stiff
Posts: 6165
Joined: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:04 pm
Location: In the Billiard Rm with the Wrench

Post by Black » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:50 am

Glad you liked the comment cacums.

Rolling on the floor, laughing my *** off. :lol:

User avatar
CluedoKid
Con Artiste
Posts: 17286
Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2004 10:05 am

Post by CluedoKid » Sat Jun 19, 2010 9:42 pm

Well, I'm glad that's all solved.

fendue
Biometrics Examiner
Posts: 1662
Joined: Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:45 pm
Location: At the foot of the cellar stairs

Post by fendue » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:27 pm

Remember that "rival" site? It got nowhere, and is now plagued by spam about Viagra and "classic porn" videos.

http://www.cluedo.org.uk/forum/viewforu ... =0&start=0

User avatar
CluedoKid
Con Artiste
Posts: 17286
Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2004 10:05 am

Post by CluedoKid » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:42 pm

Now we're talkin'!

User avatar
Murder by Death
Forensics Supervisor
Posts: 2573
Joined: Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:15 pm

Post by Murder by Death » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:49 pm

Speaking of Cluedo.org ... has anyone been to http://www.cluedo.com lately? Hasbro owns the site and it has been dead for over a year now.

http://www.monopoly.com and http://www.cluegame.com don't have that problem.

Obviously Hasbro doesn't care a thing for marketing the game with the name Cluedo.

By the way, has anyone taken the virtual mansion tour of the reinvention game on the Hasbro Clue site? It's even less interesting in 3D.

Black
Bindle Stiff
Posts: 6165
Joined: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:04 pm
Location: In the Billiard Rm with the Wrench

Post by Black » Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:27 am

If you think of it, one of the new suspects is nearly a tribute to Agatha Christie.

User avatar
Adam106
Hatchet Man
Posts: 5759
Joined: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:34 pm
Location: United Kingdom

Post by Adam106 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:41 am

Which suspect?

Black
Bindle Stiff
Posts: 6165
Joined: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:04 pm
Location: In the Billiard Rm with the Wrench

Post by Black » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:52 pm

Mrs. Meadow-Brook.

If you read Cat Amongs The Pigeons, then you know what I'm talking about

User avatar
cacums
Ringer
Posts: 11117
Joined: Thu May 31, 2007 11:58 am
Location: If I told you it wouldn't be a secret anymore

Post by cacums » Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:03 pm

Meadow-Brook isn't new. She's like six years old.

Black
Bindle Stiff
Posts: 6165
Joined: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:04 pm
Location: In the Billiard Rm with the Wrench

Post by Black » Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:16 pm

cacums wrote:Meadow-Brook isn't new. She's like six years old.
When I ment new, I ment not an original character, but I see what you mean.

User avatar
Adam106
Hatchet Man
Posts: 5759
Joined: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:34 pm
Location: United Kingdom

Post by Adam106 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:19 pm

Do you mean Mrs. Meadow-Brook is like the Meadow-Bank School from Cat Among the Pigeons?

Black
Bindle Stiff
Posts: 6165
Joined: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:04 pm
Location: In the Billiard Rm with the Wrench

Post by Black » Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:59 pm

Adam106 wrote:Do you mean Mrs. Meadow-Brook is like the Meadow-Bank School from Cat Among the Pigeons?
exactly. From what I can gather, she is the closest thing to Agatha Christie.

Well there is me as but that's another story.

munitzer
Can Opener
Posts: 1644
Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:07 pm

Post by munitzer » Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:10 pm

Black wrote:
Adam106 wrote:Do you mean Mrs. Meadow-Brook is like the Meadow-Bank School from Cat Among the Pigeons?
exactly. From what I can gather, she is the closest thing to Agatha Christie.

I may be standing on my own soap box here with no one to back me, but I'm going to say it all anyway.

Mrs. Meadow-Brook is a two-dimensional character: a nosy gossip in a quiet English village. Does this sound familiar? Does a boisterous colonel sound familiar? A seductive young lady? A disgruntled but efficient housekeeper? What about a shady businessman or a less than angelic clergyman? A socialite obsessed with image, reputation, and respectability? They do? Perhaps you know them from Clue ... or from Agatha Christie ... or from Rex Stout ... or from Arthur Conan Doyle ... or maybe Jessica Fletcher met someone like that ... or from any other mystery. That is because they were all taken from that pot of stock characters - the bones of mystery melodrama; the trusses of character cliches. Anthony Pratt or whoever came up with the physical concepts of the suspects delved into that same reserve. So, naturally, there will be resemblances.

Now, let's take this example of Mrs. Meadow-Brook and elements from Agatha Christie's Cat Among Pigeons. The exclusive girls' school is called Meadowbank. On that basis alone is one to assume that Mrs. Meadow-Brook is an homage to what is arguably a lesser known Christie novel? I have seen numerous streets, parks, and foundations bearing the name Meadowbrook (usually not hyphenated). In fact, the concept of pairing a form of land (e.g., meadow) with a body of water (e.g., brook) is about the most common way of naming a street in a subdivision.

Let us delve deeper. There are several women in this novel, so that must mean that Mrs. Meadow-Brook - a woman presented in Clue FX and Clue Mysteries as a shallow caricature of rumormongers and annoying wives - is derived from Miss Bulstrode or Miss Vansittart or Miss Chadwick. Furthermore, the gardener at Meadowbank goes by the name Ronnie. He is a spy, but he goes by one name that begins with R ... Ronnie ... Rusty ... it's genius .... Also, there is a colonel in Cat Among Pigeons. Coincidence? I think not. Obviously Clue FX is entirely based off of this book, especially since a certain subplot revolves around a tennis racquet.

Going into other Agatha Christie books, I found several other odd facts. There is a colonel in Murder on the Orient Express and Death on the Nile and a few others. A lot of the murders take place at large estates (another perplexing coincidence) where there are housekeepers and socialites. In Evil Under the Sun, there is a deranged reverend.

This can only mean one of two things:

First: that Agatha Christie was really a true genius who converted her apparently insipid mysteries into a far more exciting board game and allowed the credit to be given to a man who had been working on a similar project for years, and she left plans that decades after he death new characters would be included as an homage to her, or ...

Second: there are similarities because Clue uses the same reserve of absent-minded professors, greedy nephews, disliked lawyers, failed actresses, and people showing up out of no where asking for money form a will that was common among Dame Christie's contemporaries because it afforded Hasbro identifiable caricatures instead of trying to force depth of character onto players who just want to move a plastic pawn around a board.

In the end, i really don't know if I actually proved the point I was trying to ridicule, but I would just like to say that I think that Clue and mysteries in general rely on stock characters to entertain and entrance.


That just leaves me with one burning question: why are there are so many colonels in mysteries? Did someone just set a trend and everyone followed? Can the arrival of Colonel Mustard be attributed to this or vice versa?
"It is my opinion that your detective stories are the normal recreation of snobbish, out-dated, life-hating, ignoble minds."

User avatar
MissScarletDidntDoIt
Crime Lab Scientist
Posts: 1444
Joined: Sat Feb 14, 2009 4:38 pm
Location: Toronto

Post by MissScarletDidntDoIt » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:34 am

Last night the score of Clue was the soundtrack to my dreams...
Image

Black
Bindle Stiff
Posts: 6165
Joined: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:04 pm
Location: In the Billiard Rm with the Wrench

Post by Black » Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:51 pm

Going into other Agatha Christie books, I found several other odd facts. There is a colonel in Murder on the Orient Express and Death on the Nile and a few others. A lot of the murders take place at large estates (another perplexing coincidence) where there are housekeepers and socialites. In Evil Under the Sun, there is a deranged reverend.
Not to mention that most of the members here. Poirotmda for example use Sean Connery (who played the Colonel in Murder on the Orient Express) as Colonel Mustard.

munitzer
Can Opener
Posts: 1644
Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:07 pm

Post by munitzer » Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:24 pm

Did Mr. Boddy/Dr. Black know that all of his guests wanted to kill him and invite them anyway, or did he invite them and slowly realize that he invited the wrong group of people to his isolated country estate?

I tend to think that instead of the typical structure of various meetings throughout the evening Mr. Boddy/Dr. Black/Mr. Meadow-Brook had with the eventual suspects confronting them about affairs and demanding that loans be repaid with hefty interest, the suspects had masked their contempt and hatred of the victim. Then, when everyone gathered in the lounge to discuss the fact that a body had been found at the bottom of the cellar steps, people starting airing each other's dirty laundry or bringing up suspicious events and sayings (similar to the scene right after dinner in Murder by Death).
"It is my opinion that your detective stories are the normal recreation of snobbish, out-dated, life-hating, ignoble minds."

User avatar
Murder by Death
Forensics Supervisor
Posts: 2573
Joined: Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:15 pm

Post by Murder by Death » Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:46 pm

munitzer wrote:Did Mr. Boddy/Dr. Black know that all of his guests wanted to kill him and invite them anyway
Yes, he committed suicide – by murder! LOL

Post Reply