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Post by CMustardwPipeinLibrary » Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:59 am

If you want, I could make a chart of the "notepad" of an outsider and we can look at it for the mistake.
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Post by Michael » Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:01 am

I think we've just discovered the reasoning behind having a GM that pays constant attention to the game to avoid these sort of problems...
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Post by Michael » Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:02 am

Go for it!
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Post by CMustardwPipeinLibrary » Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:47 pm

I was going through the chart when I discovered that even an outsider could, if they tried, see this is impossible. I've included an incomplete chart, stopping at the point where I discovered impossibility, and a concise reasoning below it (at least as concise as I could make it while still keeping each step intact).

Key:

Mc=Michael
NS=Nightshade007
Kr=Kristev
CK=CluedoKid25
CM=CMustardwPipeinLibrary
XX=In Solution
O-=Has Card
X-=Does Not Have Card
--=May or May Not Have Card
Blndrbss=Blunderbuss
Cndlstck=Candlestick
GrdGnome=Garden Gnome
Billiard=Billiard Room
Carraige=Carraige House
Cnsrvtry=Conservatory
DiningRm=Dining Room
DrawingR=Drawing Room

Code: Select all

Suspects|Mc|NS|Kr|CK|CM|XX
Azure   |X-|X-|--|X-|--|--
Black   |X-|O-|X-|X-|X-|X-
Brunette|X-|X-|X-|X-|X-|O-
Gray    |X-|X-|X-|--|--|--
Lavender|X-|X-|X-|X-|O-|X-
Peach   |X-|X-|X-|X-|X-|O-
Peacock |X-|--|X-|--|--|--
Plum    |X-|X-|X-|--|--|--
Rose    |X-|O-|X-|X-|X-|X-
Scarlet |X-|O-|X-|X-|X-|X-
Weapons
Axe     |X-|X-|--|--|--|--
Blndrbss|X-|X-|O-|X-|X-|X-
Bucket  |--|X-|X-|--|--|--
Cndlstck|O-|X-|X-|X-|X-|X-
GrdGnome|X-|X-|O-|X-|X-|X-
Knife   |X-|--|X-|--|--|--
Poison  |X-|X-|O-|X-|X-|X-
Revolver|X-|X-|X-|--|X-|--
Rope    |X-|X-|X-|O-|X-|X-
Rooms
Ballroom|X-|X-|--|X-|--|X-
Billiard|X-|X-|X-|X-|O-|X-
Carraige|O-|X-|X-|X-|X-|X-
Cnsrvtry|O-|X-|X-|X-|X-|X-
DiningRm|O-|X-|X-|X-|X-|X-
DrawingR|X-|X-|O-|X-|X-|X-
Gazebo  |X-|X-|X-|X-|X-|O-
Library |--|--|--|--|--|X-
Study   |X-|--|--|--|X-|X-
Going by Michael's numbering:

In 3, Michael cannot own Black (25) or Drawing Room (23), so must own Candlestick. In 19, Michael cannot own Brunette (23) or Garden Gnome (8 ), so must own Dining Room.

Gazebo is not owned by Michael, Niteshade007, CMustardwPipeinLibrary (all 29), Kristev (7), or Cluedokid25 (33), so Gazebo must be the murder room. Every other room is owned by somebody (only one murder room). Carraige House cannot be owned by NiteShade007, Kristev (both 1), Cluedokid, or CMustardwPipeinLibrary (both 18 ), so must be owned by Michael (only one left).

Michael owns at least one of Peach and Conservatory (14 - cannot own Poison due to 23), at least one of Bucket and Library (15 - cannot own Brunette), and at least one of Gray and Conservatory (30 - cannot own Rope because Cluedokid cannot owns Scarlet [because Niteshade007 cannot owns Poison (23) or Gazebo so must own Scarlet (5)] or Gazebo so must have Rope (7)). But Michael already has three cards (Candlestick, Carraige House, and Dining Room) and only has five, so one card is listed twice. This card has to be the Conservatory, so Michael owns the Conservatory and one of the Bucket and the Library. These are Michael's five cards, so Michael owns no others.

Kristev cannot own Black (32) or Candlestick, so must own the Drawing Room (2). Krisev cannot own Carraige House or Lavender (CMustardwPipeinLibrary cannot own Poison or Drawing Room (both 23) so must own Lavender (13)), so must own Garden Gnome. Kristev owns three other cards. At least one is Azure, Axe, or Ballroom (11), at least one is Peach or Poison (17 - cannot own Carraige House), at least one is Brunette or Poison (22 - cannot own Billiard Room (21)), at least one is Peach or Blunderbuss (26 - cannot own Gazebo), and at least one is Peacock or Blunderbuss (27 - cannot own Gazebo). That is a total of five cards listed, so at least two pairs are shared. 11 does not share anything with the others, 27 shares only with 26 (Blunderbuss), and 22 pairs only with 17 (Poison). So Kristev owns Drawing Room, Garden Gnome, Blunderbuss, Poison, and one of Azure, Axe, and Ballroom. Kristev cannot own any more cards.

Neither Brunette nor Peach is owned by Michael or Kristev. In addition, Brunette is not owned by Niteshade007, Cluedokid25, or CMustardwPipeinLibrary (23), and Peach is not owned by Cluedokid25, CMustardwPipeinLibrary (both 18 ), or Niteshade007 (26). So neither Brunette or Peach can be owned by anybody, which is impossible (only one murderer).

Therefore, there was a mistake in one of the suggestions (more specifically, one of the suggestions mentioned here). If anyone spies exactly what the mistake was, let me know.
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Post by CluedoKid » Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:22 pm

Yes, I made a mistake and accedently changed poison to Blunderbuss before hand which screwed CMustard... up.

And yes, I was able to disprove regardless if was the Conservatory or Drawing Room.
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Post by CMustardwPipeinLibrary » Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:01 pm

I don't think that was the critical mistake. Look at my reasoning - that suggestion was not mentioned. The only ones mentioned are 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 11, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19, 22, 23, 25, 26, 27, 29, 30, 32, and 33. The suggestion that was messed up was suggestion 28. 32 is also messed up, but you couldn't have held the drawing room, so that wasn't the one.
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Post by Michael » Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:20 pm

Tum says that the an error occurred in #23 - Brunette, Poison, Drawing Room which should have been disproved by Niteshade but was not.
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Post by CluedoKid » Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:41 pm

If that's the case, then no wonder my accusation was wrong.
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Post by Michael » Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:55 pm

So I guess the question is... do we continue? Or call this game a bust?
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Post by Kristev » Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:23 pm

I would like to press on with it.

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Post by CMustardwPipeinLibrary » Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:00 pm

I'm sorry, but I'm still getting an error somehow.
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Post by Kristev » Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:20 pm

Tum says that the an error occurred in #23 - Brunette, Poison, Drawing Room which should have been disproved by Niteshade but was not.

It cannot have been disproved. Brunette is the killer. I know this because I'm holding both the poison and the drawing room. Since this game is finished anyway. So unless Nightshade had the Brunette card, I have discovered the killer. I don't see what all the commotion is.

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Post by CluedoKid » Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:29 pm

PErhaps due to the mistake, Peach is the killer then?
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Post by Michael » Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:34 pm

Kristev wrote:Tum says that the an error occurred in #23 - Brunette, Poison, Drawing Room which should have been disproved by Niteshade but was not.

It cannot have been disproved. Brunette is the killer. I know this because I'm holding both the poison and the drawing room. Since this game is finished anyway. So unless Nightshade had the Brunette card, I have discovered the killer. I don't see what all the commotion is.
But Niteshade CAN disprove Brunette Poison Drawing Room. Thusly, if as you say you have poison and drawing room, he DOES have Brunette.
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Post by CluedoKid » Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:51 pm

Which means Peach is the killer.
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Post by CMustardwPipeinLibrary » Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:21 am

Of course, that means that Niteshade also screwed up on 29 when Niteshade could not disprove Brunette/Garden Gnome/Gazebo. Niteshade, holding Brunette as the corrected 23 would say, would also disprove this.

I think we should just scrap this game.
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Post by Niteshade007 » Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:27 am

I am so sorry! I thought that I had my cards memorized, so I stopped looking at them. Yes, I have Brunette, which means that it is my fault that Cluedokid accused incorrectly. I really am sorry, I can't believe I made a mistake that like! I've never done that before!

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Post by Kristev » Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:14 am

Oh great. Now what on earth are we supposed to do?

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Post by Michael » Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:57 am

Well, since Game #2 is starting... shall we give up on this one and have Inspector Tum announce whodunit (and got away with it!)?

It seems unfair to continue when we've revealed people's cards already.

Perhaps we could all make one accusation (in white text so it's hard to read - use the honor system to not look at other's answers until you've posted your own) based on what we know and whomever is right or the closest can be called the winner. Tum can announce when everybody's made their accusation.
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Post by Kristev » Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:23 pm

Since all my cards have been revealed, I will not continue. I wish no further part of this game, since everything I know has been exposed already.

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